The U.S. and Islam: Trading Safety for Tolerance

Radical Islam stands not only as a threat to the Western civilization, but to the lives of Americans themselves.  When will the American government recognize the need for defense?   Or will we continue to elect leaders that apologize for the “blasphemies” the American people have committed against the Muslim faith and blacklisting those who recognize jihad as terrorism?

Islam has a long, violent history, beginning with Muhammad and the forming of the Qur’an in the early 600’s. The revelations of Allah through the prophet Muhammad are the core teachings of Islam, an eloquent compilation of laws for spiritual matters, as well as everyday living.  The jihad is a central teaching of the Qur’an, and there are two kinds of jihad—the greater and the lesser. The greater jihad refers to an individual’s spiritual struggle against sin, but the lesser jihad mobilizes Muslims in the annihilation of non-believers.

From the beginnings of his political career, Muhammad led his people to attack infidels; this is commanded in Qur’an multiple times. Just to provide a few examples: “whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him” (Sura 2:217) and “make war on unbelievers and the hypocrites, and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate.” (Sura 9:73).  Furthermore, the Islamic Constitution clearly declares war on Western civilization by calling for the execution of those guilty of apostasy, or the rejection of Islam, and requiring military training for readiness.

Humans act and react according to a decided purpose and the outlook derived from that purpose.  Americans tend to see the world through a Western lens.  We subconsciously assume that all religions are inherently peaceful, despite the violence found in Christian religious history.  However, the difference between acts of violence committed in the name of Islam and those committed in the name of Christianity is simple; destroying nonbelievers actually adheres to the Islamic faith, whereas this kind of violence deviates from the teachings of Christ found in the New Testament.

Furthermore, an important aspect of Islamic culture to consider is their all-encompassing loyalty to the holy text. Muslims take the Qur’an a lot more seriously than American culture takes the Bible in the West.  The Qur’an is not a set of guidelines to the followers of Muhammad; it is a set of laws that devout followers take absolutely literally. Islam is not going through a phase, nor do they need a viable reason to seek to destroy us; their purpose is to spread Islam at all costs.  They want to wage war on the West because our culture and values are antithetical to their existence.

We cannot continue to either ignore or appease threats such as the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood, specifically HAMAS, and their ardent anti-Semitism, the adoption of Islamic law by other nations such as Sudan, and the evidence of nuclear weapons in Iran. Domestically, they’re infiltrating Washington, supporting Occupy Wall Street, and advocating political correctness, so much so that our leaders’ are willing to sacrifice free speech for the sake of Islamic cooperation.

America can react in one of two ways. Either the Obama administration will continue letting Islam negatively influence our way of life, slowly assimilating to the culture linked to terrors like honor killings and therefore rendering ourselves susceptible to attack, or we can elect a leader who realizes the danger of radical Islam and seeks to provide protection for the American people. We need someone in the White House who will not revolve foreign policy around religious tolerance, but recognize the need for a backbone when dealing with people who have a religious and cultural responsibility to actively pursue our demise and destruction.  The American people need to reclaim exceptionalism and embrace true liberty so that America’s founding principles may be preserved for future generations.

We seem to have forgotten who attacked us on September 11, 2001.  We seem to have forgotten their motivations.  We seem to have forgotten their convictions.  I hope that we’ll remember when we enter the voting booth.

Additional Credits to:

Armstrong, Karen. (2001). Islam: A Short History. Weidenfeld & Nicolson History.

Spencer, Robert. (2002). Islam Unveiled. Encounter Books: San Francisco, CA.

Sydney Phillips // Lee University // @sydphillips

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Comments

  1. Hello Sydney,

    I appreciate your article. Pretty spot on in general. In reference to talking about Islamic attacks on the US, are you aware that in Islam the world is divided in two camps. The house of Islam (or those territories under Islam subjugation) and the house of War (or those territories that need to be subjugated under Islam). What has been termed “extremist Muslims” I would say are those actually following what their faith decrees as they need to subjugate the rest of the world that is not under Islamic control. I also no longer consider nor respect Islam as a religion, but rather view it as a theocratic totalitarian organization that seeks to force the whole world under its control be force, lies or and means necessary . . . such as out producing natives in their own land like what is happening in several European countries.

    In reference to “Christian violence,” if you are talking about the crusades, remember that the middle east was originally Christian before Islam overtook it by force. The crusades were attempts to take back and maintain, at the request of the Byzantine Emperor, Christian lands that were under Muslim rule. Did soldiers and kings do evil things, yes they did, but those evil actions were not the decrees from the church hierarchy but the sins of individuals or individual groups. Remember that the crusaders even sacked Constantinople.

    As far as Israel is concerned, I have mixed feelings and thoughts on that. First off, I have never agreed with how the current state of Israel came to be. There was basically a purge to “clean” the space of Palestinians for Europeans who were Jews but not necessarily Israeli. A little background on my position and myself, I am part Palestinian but not much. I do, though, still have family that are pure Palestinian and they are Christians who come from a long lineage of Christians most likely dating back to the Apostles. There are such people as born Christians who are Eastern Catholic or Eastern Orthodox who were never Muslims and they got treated and abused and purged just like the Palestinian Muslims. There were towns that were 100% Christian that were destroyed. My Palestinian Catholic family members tell me that before the Israeli invasion there were good relations between the Christians, Jews and Muslims of Palestine. My grandmother’s cousin, who was born in Antioch, was telling me of how he was stopped for interrogation by the Israeli airport security because he was Palestinian despite traveling with a priest and the priest telling the security force that he was a Christian since birth. It took a while to convince them because Israelis it seems think that if you are Palestinian and Christian you must of converted. I am not saying that we are being Attacked solely because of Israel, but it sure did give them a target to galvanize the upset Muslims against. But that is just for Palestine. Iran is a different story. Their leader is crazy . . . period. But this is why I am not a blind supporter of Israel. But I understand that we have benefited from technology that has come out of Israel and we are legally bound to be their allies.

    None the less, as I said, I appreciate a lot of your article. Keep ’em coming,

    Manuel

  2. Kerry the conservative says:

    Manuel’s first paragraph is exactly correct – and this is a very good article! However, Manuel needs to do a little more reading of history BEYOND the British mandate… try the BC era and you will see that Israel exsisted LONG before Palestine… long before the Roman empire.

    And another thing Manuel – Mahmood is not crazy – he is DEVOUT and fundamentalist Shia which believes it is his destiny to bring about the chaos that will usher in the 12th Imam… he is acting totally normal within that ideology.

    For those who want to actually do something positive for our country, our freedom of religion and freedom of speech, I suggest joining ACT! for America and signing their pledge of support for the American Laws for American Courts that prohibits any foreign laws (theocratic or UN, etc) from being applied in court decisions that would violate a person’s constitutionally protected rights. Also, sign the petition of support for LOWES which is being targeted by a crazy extremist Democrat from California who wants to make it illegal for businesses to pull their advertising from shows like “All American Muslim”… go to actforamerica.org and sign up for their newsletters. Keep America free for EVERYONE!!

  3. Hello Kerry,

    I know he is a devout 12er, that is what makes him dangerous. They are waiting for the twelfth imam to return. But this individual they are waiting for is like the predicted antichrist. And to help quicken his return they believe they need to spread death, war, famine and all sorts of calamities. Are you saying that anyone who believes this and wants this to happen is sane . . . ? I never said it was not part of that particular sects beliefs. I still think he is crazy. Remember, he is a holocaust denier and I believe the leaders of Iran during WWII were actually friends with Hitler, or at least with the higher ups of the SS and supported each other in their anti-jewishness. I do not agree with saying that only hate against Jews s antisemitic. Here is a link to the provided definition of Semitic (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/semitic) : of, relating to, or constituting a subfamily of the Afro-Asiatic language family that includes Hebrew, Aramaic, Arabic, and Amharic . Basically being anti-Arab is also being antisemitic.

    Have you read the NT? Who is Israel today? Is it the blood inheritors of the bloodline of Jacob/Israel or is those who have faith in Christ? The Church is now Israel and it is the spiritual inheritors of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who are now Israel. Remember, even the Jews will convert before His second coming. The state of Israel that exist today is a not the Israel of the OT.

    Kerry, your last paragraph reminded me of something I posted in another article here. Speaking of international laws, it seems states have been making them part of state law in piece meal form. http://parentalrights.org/ check that out and watch the documentary. If you think parental rights are being protected think again and sign that petition for the parental rights amendment to Constitutionally protect our parental rights ;-)

    Twas a joy exchanging these thoughts.

  4. Good article Sydney!

  5. A very detailed and thorough article. I’m impressed that you recognize the real image of Islam and its origins and beliefs. And I agree with Manuel that Islam is not a religion; it is a theocratic tyranny that is antithesis to our western culture and laws.

  6. Silence Do-good says:

    Saying that Religious Tolerance in FP is a bad things isn’t a good thing to me. We do need to respect aspects of religion and tolerate it. Per the first amendment. As someone who has studied Islam there is a major split in the faith. In the near future we will see the reforms that so many other faiths have seen. One side being that of Jihad and War, the other being of piece and jihad in the sense of self war and improving one. Until then we must focus on certain groups in certain nations that we know to be of Jihad and War. But we can’t blanket them all.

    On another note per the first paragraph. Only Obama has said sorry for the United States. Even Clinton was smart enough not to do so.

  7. Establishing reciprocity with other religions and countries is apologizing for America? Give me a break please.

  8. This is a great article. I really appreciate what you and the other college writers are do. You are the group that will soon be leaders of this nation.

    I will try and run your article in the next few weeks on The Oxford Tea Party blog… We have about four thousand readers all of who I want to start reading this web site.

    I have been pushing this site and the writers on it for the past month and have gotten good responses…

    Thanks, and Merry Christmas,… Ron – docnick37@gmail.com

  9. What you say is reasonable, based on facts such as these:

    -6/2/04 Amnesty International (unhcr.org): In Muslim Albania women’s salaries are 20 to 50% per cent of men’s. Men own 92 per cent of all property and approximately 84 per cent of gross domestic production.
    -2/6/04 asiapacific.amnesty.org: Each year 2 million girls are subjected to female genital mutilation (FMG), mostly in Muslim countries.
    -1/29/07 Daily Telegraph UK: 75% believe that women should wear veils.
    -2/5/07 cbsnews.com: In Argenteui, France, 15 Muslim boys were convicted of raping a girl over a two month period because she wanted to look French. No one complained, even anonymously. A mother of one of the rapists who got seven years in jail said: “It’s the girl who should be behind bars.”
    -2/08 United Nations Report (un.org/en/women/endviolence): Mainly in Muslims nations, over 130 million girls and women alive today have undergone FGM (Female Genital Mutilation); each year 2 million girls are subjected to FMG; The United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA) estimates that the annual worldwide number of so-called “honour killing” victims may 5,000.
    -11/2/08 The Guardian, UK: A 13-year-old girl who said she had been raped by three men was stoned to death in Muslim Somalia after being accused of adultery. Amnesty International reported that dozens of men stoned Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow to death on 10/27/08 in a stadium packed with 1,000 spectators. “At one point during the stoning, Amnesty International has been told by numerous eyewitnesses that nurses were instructed to check whether Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow was still alive when buried in the ground. They removed her from the ground, declared that she was, and she was replaced in the hole where she had been buried for the stoning to continue,” the human rights group said.
    -7/09 UK’s Department for Children, Schools, and Families estimates that 5 to 8 thousand Muslim girls were forced to marry last year.
    -3/8/10 Telegraph: UK sharia courts have already judged that: a man may have up to four wives; a wife has no property rights in the event of divorce; a woman may not leave her home without her husband’s consent; a woman cannot marry without the presence and permission of a male guardian.
    -3/31/10 PDT, Norway: Several hundred young Muslims were in attendance when the Chinese Muslim preacher Husain Yee defended the right of Muslim men to beat their wives at a Muslim conference this past weekend. He said: “In the same way, men have a right to beat, but only if it’s in love and out of consideration for the wife. Moreover, it shouldn’t be on the head or other places that can be harmful to beat on, but only on other places in the body.”
    4/27/10 Telegraph: Tehran’s police chief Sajedinia warns muslim women not to have suntans: “We are not going to tolerate this situation and will first warn those found in this manner and then arrest and imprison them.”
    -11/12/11 Daily Telegraph, UK: Rape victim receives 101 lashes for becoming pregnant. A 16-year-old girl who was raped in Bangladesh has been given 101 lashes for conceiving during the assault.
    -The UN’s ongoing GEM (Gender Empowerment Measure) ranks nations by women’s equality: Muslim nations rank at the bottom. (undp.org)
    -United Nations Report, 2002, UN Economic and Social Council (E/CN.4/2002/83): “The report of the Special Rapporteur concerning cultural practices in the family that are violent towards women indicated that honour killings had been reported in Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Morocco, Pakistan, the Syrian Arab Republic, Turkey, Yemen, and other Mediterranean and Persian Gulf countries, and that they had also taken place in western countries such as France, Germany and the United Kingdom, within migrant communities.”

    One cannot separate the teachings of the Koran and other Koranic texts from the above:
    -Tabari IX:113: They are like domestic animals
    -Tabari I:280: All of the women of this world menstruate and are stupid
    -Sahih Bukhari: A prayer is annulled by a passing woman, a dog and a monkey
    -A wife cannot allow someone to enter their home without her husbands permission. Abu Dawud vol.2 no.2452, 2453 p.677-678.
    -A wife can only fast with her husbands permission. Ibn-i-Majah vol.3 no.1761-1762 p.62
    -A wife cannot give a gift without her husbands consent. Ibn-i-Majah vol.3 no.2388 p.423
    -Men can forsake wives, but wives cannot forsake husbands. Bukhari vol.7 no.121,122 p.93; vol.7 chapter 93 vol.7 no.130 p.99.

    You are absolutely justified in being alarmed at the apathy of too many Americans, especially phony “women’s rights” groups like NOW, in this rapidly growing segment of our population which believes in such primitive dogma, and even more alarmed that so many are clueless as to the implications of a growing Islamic influence…right here.

  10. Just plowed my way through the UN’s pdf file on the United Nations sponsored 2002 Arab Human Development Report (arab-hdr.org). Here are some highlights:

    -Only 0.6% of the Arab population uses the Internet
    -Only 1.2% has a personal computer
    -Investment in research and development does not exceed 0.5 per cent of gross national product, well below the world average
    -The utilizationof Arab women’s capabilities through political and economic participation remains the lowest in the world
    -About 65 million adult Arabs are illiterate, two thirds of them women
    -Illiteracy rates are much higher than in much poorer countries
    -Science and technology output is quantifiable and measurable in terms of number of scientific papers per unit of population. The average
    output of the Arab world per million inhabitants is roughly 2 per cent of that of an industrialized country
    -Number of research scientists: US 466,211; Saudi Arabia 1,915
    -The United Nations Development Program (UNDP) includes GEM (gender empowerment measurement) which reveals that women suffer “a glaring deficit” in women’s empowerment. Among regions of the world the Arab region ranks next to last as measured by GEM
    -If the steady deterioration in the quality of education in the Arab countries and the inability of education to meet the requirements of development
    are not reversed, the consequences for human and economic development will be grave
    -The number of illiterate people is still increasing, to the extent that Arab countries embark upon the twenty-first century burdened by over 60 million illiterate adults, the majority of whom are women
    -Other, more cultural behaviours common in the Arab world can also have an adverse health impact. These include intermarriage between close relatives, promotion of early marriage, and female circumcision
    -The Arab region has the lowest level of access to ICT (Information and Communication Technology) of all regions of the world, even lower than sub-Saharan Africa
    -High maternal mortality (death during child birth) is a key health challenge facing most Arab countries.
    -GDP in all Arab countries combined stood at $531.2 billion in 1999 (70% related to oil), less than that of a single European country, Spain, ($595.5 billion)
    -Political participation is less advanced in the Arab world than in other developing regions (developing nation = a low level of material well-being)
    -Deprivation in terms of basic human-development parameters is about 32.4 per cent as measured by the human poverty index (HPI) which defines deprivation in terms of short lives, illiteracy and lack of basic services.
    -Out of 7 world regions the Arab countries had the lowest freedom score in the 1990’s

  11. @Jim What you said sound strikingly similar to radical fundamentalist Christian who have strict interpretation of the Bible. I could easily cite so many stupid and dangerous thing extremist of Christians did or how the Old Testament tells them to have incestous relationship with your children or killing your own child for the almighty God. Arab are ruled by dictator that simply does not represent the mainstream core values of Islam.

  12. Hello Sophia,
    Would you like to know what the leaders of Islam have to say about their faith? Then read this report http://shariahthethreat.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Shariah-The-Threat-to-America-Team-B-Report-Web-09292010.pdf . It is not by some fundamentalist wackos but by serious intelligence analyst. If you cannot bring yourself to read the whole report, at least read chapter 3 “SHARIAH’S SECURITY-RELEVANT ATTRIBUTES.”

  13. Wow, it seems like a great idea to declare war on a religion of 1.5 billion people as well as a war on the bill of rights by restricting their freedom to practice their religion peacefully, all fueled by your religious intolerance.

  14. This is a great selective look at Islam. I bet you’ve never read any Taha Husayn or Sayyid Khan, have you? All you’ve done in this terrible, turgid article is use a tiny fraction of Muslims to demonize the whole group. It would be like if I took your proud ignorance and applied it to everyone at The College Conservative, or if I judged all of Christianity based on the Westboro Baptist Church. “We seem to have forgotten who attacked us on September 11, 2001.” On the contrary, you seem to have never known who attacked us. A few radicals and their despicable actions do not constitute a declaration of war on behalf of an entire religion. Now, you’re completely entitled to your close-minded view of Islam, but luckily, the Bill of Rights protects them from radicals like you. Fun fact: Did you know that Thomas Jefferson taught himself Arabic and held an Iftar dinner while president?

  15. Sophia says she can cite lots of stuff about extremist Christians which are as condemning as my citations about Islam. Well, Sophia, have at it. But please cite only contemporary information, like I did about Islam. We all know that Christianity was as savage as Islam a few hundred years ago, but it changed. Your religion has not changed. It’s as aggressive today as it was 1,400 years ago:
    -12/8/09 Al-Shabab TV: Egyptian cleric Hamdan Badr, of the International Union of Muslim Scholars, quoted General Khaled Ibn Al-Walid (592-642) who said, upon his invasion of Byzantium (India, the Balkans and Spain to follow): “It was thirst that made us leave our homes. We have heard that Byzantine blood is the tastiest, and we have come to drink it.” This is cleric Badr’s justification for that invasion: “This didn’t constitute aggression because we were defending the borders of the Islamic state. We are commanded to enjoin people to worship Allah. That is the mission of every Muslim in this life.”
    -8/09 Bosnian imam Mustafa Ceric declared Christian Serbian Muslim-majority territory boarding Montenegro as Muslim homelands. (Yes, the same Muslims we saved from ethnic cleansing at the hands of Christian Serbs in the 90′s are now claiming more Serbian land).
    -8/19/10 AndKronos International: Muslims claim land inside Montenegro as Muslim homelands.
    -8/20/10 AsiaNews, Kashmir: Extremist Muslims are demanding Sikhs convert or leave.
    -8/23/10 Reuters: Since 2004 Muslim extremists have killed 4,000 Buddhists in southern Thailand, which they are claiming as Muslim homelands.
    7/5/11 Daily Mail, UK: Islamic extremists have called on British Muslims to establish three independent states within the UK.

    And, by the way, the New Testament is the primary Christian Holy Book, so any violence quoted in the Old Testament is really not on point.

    So, Sophia, give us your evidence that Chritsianity is, today, as barbaric as your Islam….or maybe you have none?

  16. @Jim, quoting various statistics about the Arab nations is a rather silly argument. There are a variety of factors that contribute to the supposed backwards-ness of the Arab block. Some of these factors include things like the Ottoman Empire losing World War I, Arab nations not getting much non-oil related foreign investment from the US or Soviet Union, relatively low population density due to an arid climate etc. in any event, these things have nothing to do with Islam. In the same vein of reasoning, we wouldn’t say that Christianity is bad based on the savagery and primitiveness of Medieval Europe. That was obviously caused by things like the collapse of Rome, not Christianity.

  17. @Alan, whether you agree with the quotes Jim provided or not, you must realize that they are current statistics. If we go back to medieval times we see that both Christianity and Islam killed in the name of God. You can blame their “backwards-ness” on those factors that you mention or we can blame them for their actions. So are you saying their actions are not caused by their religion? They seem to think that their religion instructs them to do these things.

  18. 1. “They” (I assume you mean all Muslims) as a general trend, tend not to think that their religion commands them to kill people (consider the ratio of Muslim terrorists to Muslims in general).
    2. Sure, we can blame them (by “them” I mean the particular subset actually involved in terrorism, not all Muslims), but what does that show? All this means is that some subset of Muslims engage in terror. Some subset of Presbyterian population stole my bicycle, so what?
    3. Even though “they” think their religion instructs them to do this and that, that doesn’t mean that it does. Just because the Inquisitors thought that Christianity instructs witch hunts that doesn’t mean that Christianity does (the same goes for WBC, and other groups). Basically rationalizing=/= causal process.
    4. What does modern vs ancient data have to do with anything? Sure, dogmas change, but the core teachings of Christianity and Islam haven’t changed. This leads us to suspect that it’s not any specific belief that causes killing (modern Christian’s views aren’t materially different than their predecessors’) but other unknown factors. So you should be mad at those factors (ahem, Ottoman Empire) rather than Islam.

  19. Mike Walker says:

    “Radical Islam stands not only as a threat to Western civilization, but to the lives of Americans themselves.” This sentence I think everyone can agree upon, but you quickly generalize “Radical Islam” to simply “the Islamic faith”. “However, the difference between acts of violence committed in the name of Islam and those committed in the name of Christianity is simple; destroying nonbelievers actually adheres to the Islamic faith, whereas this kind of violence deviates from the teachings of Christ found in the New Testament.” This previous sentence cannot be held as truth. You are comparing apples and oranges. I know Muslims who would never harm anyone and are Americans to boot. Is this article suggesting that we imprison all Muslim’s because of a sect of their religion that they maybe completely against? We did this in WWII with the Japanese and I would hope that we’ve learned that lesson. Take the Phelps family for example, they claim to be “Christians”. 99% of the Christians in the World would probably say that the Phelps family are far from “Christians”. I am certainly not an expert of Islam, but could it be that different interpretations of the Quran lead to a percentage of Muslims being “Radical”-just like different interpretations of the Bible lead to a percentage of Christians being like the Phelps family. If, however, you were not generalizing the term “Islam” to encompass all Muslims and this is simply an article against “Radical Islam”, then I apologize, I think it’s brilliant, I think you look great in your staff photo, and I think you should get promoted.

  20. Alan and Sophia try so hard to excuse why Islam is what it is, just like appeasers 75 years ago tried to excuse Nazism 75 years ago. Remember where that got us?
    1925 Mien Kampf published
    1930 Germanys 2nd largest party is Nazi
    1933 Hitler becomes Chancellor, quits League of Nations
    1935 Declares military conscription, re-arms
    1936 Rhineland seized
    1938 Austria and Czechoslovakia seized
    1938 September Chamberlain appeases again, at Munich
    1939-1945 WW2

    The appeasers ignored all of those facts. For 14 years the appeasers talked and talked and talked about why Germany needed to be understood, not confronted. The appeasers drove the world over the cliff. Then 60 million people died.

    The appeasers are at it again. In spite of overwhelming evidence that Islam is not compatable with Western Culture, they persist in appeasing. In fact, they are dangerous people: they wait for that door knock in the middle of the night and realize that “They’ve come for me!” But by then, it’s too late — for everyone.

    Hey Alan and Sophia, do a bing search using these terms: “civil wars in the world.” Then research each one. You’ll find that about 90% of them involve Muslims, including civill wars in China , Russia , Bosnia , Cyprus , Macedonia , Israel , Pakistan , India, Indonesia-Ambon & Halmarhera , Côte d’Ivoire , Kashmir , Kosovo, Kurdistan , Kirghizia , Nigeria , Philippines , Somalia , Turkey , Chechnya , Sudan , Yemen , Thailand , Uganda , Azerbaijan and East Timor.

    You might add some European cities to that list soon. The riots over Rushdie, cartoons of Mohamed and Palestine are precursors to the beginning of civil war. Muslim riots are part of Islam’s modus operandi.

    But, thanks to the Internet, the true face of Islam is being revealed:
    12/21/11 Daily Telegraph, UK: Muslim baby adopted because of fear of honour killing.
    A baby born to a Muslim couple having an affair had to be adopted to save it from being murdered by its mother’s family in a so-called honour killing, senior judges have ruled.
    Confirming that decision, three Appeal Court judges said on Wednesday: “In the particular circumstances of this case, the judge rightly regarded the risk of physical harm to [the baby] and [its mother] as being of major importance. Here the evidence was, in our judgment, compelling.
    “[The baby] was conceived in a relationship which was unacceptable to [the mother’s] traditional Muslim family and conducted in secrecy.

  21. Jim, that’s all well and good, but I’d prefer you answer the actual arguments rather than talk about appeasement and honor killings. As to the civil war business, again I suggest we consider factors such as low infrastructure and education due to things like the Ottoman empire, not Islam. The other evidence is strictly anecdotal. Jim, stop with the fear mongering and engage my actual arguments (like tell me what proportion of Muslims actually support terror).

  22. Alan, you imply that most Muslims don’t support Muslim extremists. But, Alan, you need to give us some proof that they actually oppose Muslim extremism. “They” and their imams will issue generic condemnation of “terrorism” but where and when do they ever march or sign petitions against, specifically, “Muslim terrorism”? Give us dates, places and names of those who have made such proclamations. Some Musims have tried to address that issue, but have totally failed:

    -05/05: Free Muslims Against Terrorism, along with 70 other Muslim organizations, staged a protest in DC. 50 people showed up, most of them non-Muslims.
    -1/7/10 FoxDetroit: Majed Moughni, organizer of the Dearborn Area Community Members, organized a rally against Muslim terrorism (note: MUSLIM terrorism, not simply “terrorism”) saying: “It’s time for Muslims to stand up against the terrorists. This is serious. We’re putting our faces in front of the world. We’re telling the terrorists we’re Americans. If you want to kill Americans come kill us.” About 50 people showed up to march, mostly non-Muslims. You can see the protest on YouTube (search “majed Moughni”). You’ll see two hijabs and no Muslim skull caps. 300,000 muslims live in the Dearborn area — about 50 showed up. Since that “march” Moughni has received multiple death threats from – guess who.

    Muslims will riot, burn and kill over cartoons of Mohamed or Salamon Rushdie’s book or Palestine or teddy bears named Mohamed, but when have they ever marched in the streets or signed petitions against, specifically, “Muslim terrorism”?

    When Western people get their ire up over an issue, we protest:
    -2/15/03 AP: Anti-war protests in Europe: Rome, 1 million people; Madrid, 660,000; Berlin, 500,000; Paris, 100,000.
    -1/23/10 Washington Post: Thousands march in D.C. demonstration against abortion.
    -3/4/10 BBC: 23,000 sign petition against the Pope visit to UK.
    -4/26/10 KPBS: Protests Against Arizona’s Immigration Law To Spread Across California.
    -9/18/10 BBC: Thousands protest against the Pope’s visit to UK.
    -11/2/10 The Talon: The annual rally Step Out for Pro-Choice, sponsored by the Los Altos-Mountain View Branch of the American Association of University Women (AAUW), took place in downtown Los Altos today, Friday, January 22 from 12:00 p.m. to 1:30 p.m.

    Now, Alan, you give us the date, place and how many Muslims attended a protest against MUSLIM EXTREMISTS.

    Footnote:
    Sophia has not met a similar challenge to cite, as she said, “I could easily cite so many stupid and dangerous thing extremist of Christians did…”

    I am absolutely certain that Alan too will fail to support his postition.

    Alan and Sophia do what all multiculterualists do: They obfusate, they lie. And they repeat the lie, over and over: “ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE!”.

  23. I need to provide proof that most Muslims don’t support terrorism! Whatever happened until innocent until proven guilty? Most Christians have done little more than verbally condemn WBC yet I wouldn’t say that the majority of Chritians support WBC. Just because westerners like to protest doesn’t mean that if someone doesn’t protest something, they’re a supporter of it (I’ve yet to attend an anti-biketheft rally, yet we wouldn’t conclude that I’m pro theft). Westerners like to protest, sure. That doesn’t prove anything about what Muslims are for or against. There are any number of reasons for people to not actually go to marches against things, that doesn’t mean they’re terror supporters.
    Not marching against =/= being supportive of.
    As to the business about death threats, sure there are some bad Muslims around. But that doesn’t say anything statistically about the population.

  24. A person who is incapable of distinguishing the defining, superior values of one culture versus another is incapable of judging any culture, at all. That’s why I call people like Alan multiculturalists.

    The following, while a response to Alan, is not really meant for him. The following offerings are intended to force Alan to again fail to address the many facts reported in the news media supporting a growing belief that Islam is not, in fact, a “religion of peace.” I want readers to watch how multiculturalists dodge the evidence.

    -2/18/06 AP: “In London, more than 10,000 people joined an angry but peaceful protest against the drawings.”Free speech, cheap insults,” read some placards. “How dare you insult the blessed Prophet Muhammad?” asked another.”
    -8-20-07 BBC: “The BBC has dropped plans to show a fictional terror attack in an episode of Casualty to avoid offending Muslims.”
    -10/07 Timesonline: Because it offends Islam, Muslim medical students are refusing to treat women.
    -10/09: Yale University Press announced that it will publish the book THE CARTOONS THAT SHOOK THE WORLD about Muslims rioting and killing over the Danish cartoons of Mohamed, but will not include the actual cartoons for fear of Muslim violence.
    -11/29/07 AP: Thousands of Sudanese, many armed with clubs and knives, rioted, demanding the execution of a British teacher convicted of insulting Islam for allowing her students to name a teddy bear “Muhammad.”
    -2/1/10 jamaicaobserver.com: President of the Islamic Council of Jamaica, Mustafa Muhammad, says he agrees with the Sharia law which prescribes death for people who openly flaunt homosexual behaviour: “It is illegal and in the Sharia law the punishment is death.”
    -2/16/10 Telegraph: One of France’s largest eateries has dropped pork from its menus. A Muslim said: “I’m happy, as I can come here with my Muslim friends.” A non-Muslim said: “Why can’t they sell halal burgers and bacon burgers at the same time?”
    -3/24/10 Daily Mail: KFC stops serving bacon to please Muslims.
    -4/22/10 Hollywood Reporter: TV show South Park bans the word Muhammad after death threats from Muslim extremists.
    -6/4/10 Reuters, Russia: Muslims kill one, injure 25 with 2 bombs. Execute woman kiosk worker who sold vodka.
    -7/5/10 Daily Mail: Swimmers plunged into dark after council covers 250 swimming pool windows ‘to protect Muslim women’s modesty.

    Alan, did you know that non-Muslims are not allowed to enter Mecca or Medina (wikipedia)? Is this why? Quran 9:28: “O you who believe, the idol worshipers are polluted; they shall not be permitted to approach the Sacred Masjid after this year.”

  25. A note to Sophia:

    You said, “I could easily cite so many stupid and dangerous thing extremist of Christians did…”
    I asked you to give us a list of such “stupid and dangerous thing.” Everything in my list is modern: almost all of it is happening in our lifetime. Your list must do the same — don’t want to hear stuff about the Church burning infidels or witches at the stake . We know that happened, acknowledge it, and condemn it. And, the new testament being the main holy text in Christianity, limit your list of “stupid and dangerous thing” to that text.

    And you have to give us citations: dates, places and identity of credible publishers of your “facts” on your list of “stupid and dangerous thing.”

    I gave you over 60 pieces of evidence intended to challenge the truthfulness of the constant Muslim chant, “Islam is a religion of peace.” You should come up with at least as many — okay, 30 will do.

    GO!

  26. 1. Yes I did know that about Mecca, and no, I don’t agree with it. However, that doesn’t really mean that we have anything to fear from Muslims, rather, it just means I’m against sectarian law (in the same vein I’m against conservatives who want to defund stem cell research and ban gay marriage), and that I won’t be traveling to Mecca anytime soon.
    2. These long lists of evidence still don’t really prove anything about what proportion of Muslims actually support terror, they’re anecdotal. You need statistical evidence to construct a confidence interval about how many Muslims support terror. These news paper clipping style arguments don’t function as arguments at all (Can a syllogism be constructed? Can a confidence interval be constructed?).
    3. Even if it were to be shown that some large proportion of Muslims are violent, that doesn’t show anything about Islam. I suspect that that has everything to do with poor infrastructure and economy (an argument you’ve yet to challenge, you just cite more “evidence”). We wouldn’t say that Christianity is violent on the grounds that the Crusades were a holy Christian war, rather we would say that the Christians of the day were violent for other reasons, (general backwardness, poor economy, poor education etc). The only argument that you’ve raised against this is that your arguments are modern. I have to wonder, did the Bible change since the Crusades? Of course not, Christians changed. So while Muslims may have a higher propensity for violence, all that proves is that Muslims tend to be violent, not Islam.
    4. In the interest of (philosophical) charity, I’ll briefly talk about your newest “evidence” (though again, I don’t see how any statistical calculation about the proportion of Muslims who support terror can be drawn from it).
    a. Angry protests in London? So what? People can’t be angry about things? Granted I don’t have any qualms with drawing things, but what does that matter? People can be for or against whatever they want, your “point” explicitly says that they were nonviolent
    b. The BBC is dropping something? Are you a major shareholder? The BBC can air or drop whatever they want because of whatever they fear. Unless they’re being legally forced or threatened out of airing something, who cares?
    c. Muslim medical students refusing to treat women. What proportion (some doctors do all sorts of silly things, you need statistical evidence, not anecdotes)? How does this mean they’re violent (backwards maybe but violent)?
    d. Yale is afraid of Muslim violence. Abortion doctors are afraid of Christian violence. This doesn’t prove that most Christians are violent, just some subset. Sure some Muslims might violently attack Yale, but that proves nothing about Muslims as a population, and certainly nothing about Islam (see argument 3).
    e. I would again refer you to argument 3. Sudan is backwards, Sudan is violent. That says nothing about Muslims (especially Muslims here in the US) and even if it did, that proves nothing about Islam (anymore than the inquisition proves something about Christianity).
    f. Uh Oh, someone in Jamaica wants to kill homosexuals? We have non-Muslims who actually do kill homosexuals right here in America, but I don’t see Jim going on any tirades about Americanism being a culture of violence.
    g. Do you own this eatery? Private businesses can do what they want. They probably thought it would be better for business. So what? (It certainly has nothing to do with terrorism).
    h. Last time I checked, KFC can do whatever it wants (within the law) to bring in business, so Muslims are a target market, who cares? I also think it’s silly you use the word “appease”. Do we mark food as Kosher to appease those dastardly Jews? Do restaurants sell fish sandwiches on Friday to appease the ne’er do well Catholics?
    i. I never said there weren’t Muslim extremists, what I want to know is what proportion of Muslims are sending these threats and does that reflect Islam, or just the population of Muslims?
    j. Muslims killed people in Russia? Russians killed people in Russia too. Should I write an article not to trust Russians? Also, this was carried out by a relatively small subset of Russia’s Muslim population.
    k. I want to know, how does this support the notion that they support terror? Backwards, maybe, terrorist, I don’t see how…

    Suppose I were to concede that Muslims tend to be violent. This still has nothing to do with Islam. Just because Christians tended to be violent for a good chunk of our history only reflects poorly on that society, not Christianity as a whole (your argument against about ancient vs contemporary is pathetic, it’s not like the Bible changed).

  27. Jim, please answer my arguments in my previous posts rather than listing instances of Muslims misbehaving. I’m a statistician, I want statistical arguments, secondly, I want arguments that actually show that Islam is to blame (answer my argument about Ottoman infrastructure). Just making lists is a non-argument.

  28. Alan says, “Suppose I were to concede that Muslims tend to be violent. This still has nothing to do with Islam.” He’s repeating what Turkey’s PM Recep Erdagon said:
    12/09 Syrian Arab News Agency: “Islam means peace, and it cannot tolerate terrorism. We reject all attempts to link Islam with terrorism.” But that is what Muslims have been saying – for 1,400 years:
    Sahih Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 81, Number 763: “Abu Huraira, Allah’s Apostle said: “When an adulterer commits illegal sexual intercourse, he is not a believer at the time he is doing it; when somebody drinks an alcoholic drink, he is not a believer at the time of drinking; when a robber robs and the people look at him, he is not a believer at the time of doing it.’”

    In other words, “If it’s a bad act, Muslims, by definition, can’t have done it”!

    Alan, are you a Muslim? If you are, would you please answer this question:

    Do you favor making Sharia law illegal in America?

    Prediction: He will not give us a simple “yes” or “no” answer.

    We must continue to present evidence to the non-Alans the true nature of Islam and its implications for our culture, to wit:

    Before Israel and Big Oil (Islam’s and multiculturalists’ scapegoat for the crimes committed by Muslims) Winston Churchill wrote:
    -In 1899: “No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which Islam had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome. “
    -“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. “
    -“A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property — either as a child, a wife, or a concubine — must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.”
    -On Hitler’s Mein Kampt: “Here was the new Koran of faith and war; turgid, verbose, shapeless but pregnant with its message.”
    -On Islam: “No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.”

    In the mid 1800’s Alexis de Tocqueville wrote: “I studied the Kuran a great deal. I came away from that study with the conviction that by and large there have been few religions in the world as deadly to men as that of Muhammad…”

    K.S. Lal, in his book Growth of Muslim Population in Medieval India, claimed that between 1000 CE and 1500 CE, the population of Hindus decreased by 80 million.

    In 1786 Thomas Jefferson spoke on the House floor concerning how Muslim Ambassador Adja to London justified the capture of American ships, the murder and enslaving of both crew and passengers. He said that Adja said this: “Islam was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Quran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found and that every Muslim slain in these battles was sure to go to Paradise.”

    Alan, the New Information Age is making your arguments seem very, very ineffective and self-serving. You need to — like Sophia — present actual citations about the issues you present in defense of Islam.

    Alan, did Muslims committ 9/11?

  29. Sorry to beat a dead horse here, but do you notice how Alan and Sophia give us no hard facts to substantiate what their claims are? It’s more like they are preaching than presenting fact-based arguments.

    Alan! Sophia! Dates, names of sources, places, articles, video citations! Give us something to work with and stop preaching!

  30. Jim, your insistence on simply marshaling a list of facts is a non-argument. Whether or not a non-trivial proportion of Muslims actually support terror is a statistical question,NOT an anecdotal one (what “evidence” do you want me to provide? A list of Muslims doing good things? The burden of proof is on you). Please actually answer my arguments. Second, you need to show some causal link between Muslims being violent and Islam. A list of Muslims being bad is just that, a list of Muslims being bad. PLEASE answer my previous arguments.

    As to your assorted questions: Yes Muslims committed the 9/11 terrorist attacks
    No, I am not a Muslim
    A qualified Yes to the making Sharia law illegal. Yes, I am against US courts making decisions based on Sharia law, yes I’m against honor killings and the like. However, following the parts that don’t infringe on others’ rights should be legal (Muslims should be able to opt out of eating pork if they want).

    So a question for you Jim: Using your silly laundry list, can you construct a hypothesis test showing that Muslims are more likely to be violent after controlling for things like socioeconomic status, political situation, population density etc? Please answer my actual arguments, as you’ll see, simply listing Muslims doing bad things doesn’t imply in a statistical sense anything about Islam.

  31. I hardly see what I should be providing citations for. All I’ve been saying is that you listing things doesn’t show anything statistically about Muslims as a group, and if it did, it wouldn’t prove a causal link with Islam. What, should I be citing my 10th grade statistics textbook?

  32. Well, Alan, it is only a “silly laundry list” to liberals like you. But, as I stated, you are merely a prop here, a tool used to reveal how people like you “think”; how people like you are great allies of evil movements which confront mankind.

    Alan says: “All I’ve been saying is that you listing things doesn’t show anything statistically about Muslims as a group, and if it did, it wouldn’t prove a causal link with Islam.” Substitute the word “Muslims” with “Germans” and “Islam” with “Nazism” and you have a picture of how the Alans of 75 years ago similarly rejected “silly laundry lists” proving that Germans wanted war. This is the list Alan calls silly:

    1925 Mien Kampf published, which lays out Hitlers plan to go to war
    1930 Germanys 2nd largest elected party is Nazi
    1933 Hitler becomes Chancellor, quits League of Nations
    1935 Declares military conscription and re-arms
    1936 Germany seizes Rhineland
    1938 Germany seizes Austria and Czechoslovakia
    1938 September Chamberlain appeases again, at Munich
    1939-1945 World War 2, started by the Germany
    And, of course, we had the countless speeches made by Hitler and his thugs at rallies attend by hundreds

    We know Alan read that list, which appears earlier. Notice how he regards it as a “silly” list? 60 million people died because of the Alan-appeasers of 75 years ago — 60 million people who would have lived had Germany’s aggression been confronted early on. But don’t expect Alan to concede that fact.

    Above is a “silly” list of civil wars which involve Muslims. The other combatants are Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Sikhs, Zorastrians, Copt, animists, atheist communists — any and all non-Muslims entities that exist. Alan’s and Sophia’s curiosity as to that one element common to almost all civil wars — Islam — is not peeked, at all. Just another silly list to them.

    What an odd view of judging an issue Alan and Sophia have. I suppose, were they lawyers in a courtroom, any evidence the opposing party introduced, would elicit their standard response: “Why, that’s just a silly list!”

    People like Alan and Sophia hate lists — articles, videos, historic records, opinions of credible people, UN polls and studies, independent polls and studies — because the evidence is overwhelming: Islam is inimical to freedom, especially for women, and has been since Mohamed lived.

    How can one seperate Hitler Germany from Germans? How can one seperate Islam from Muslims? Only the Alans and Sophia do that. We must ask ourselves, as we read their words, “What motivates them?”

  33. You’re making a case of a false analogy. The population of Nazi Germanies is exactly one. Therefore, we can know things about the entire population of Nazi Germanies from one data point as that one data point constitutes a census of the population of all the Germanies that have been Nazi (there was only one). So no, the list of things Nazis have done is a census, not anecdotal evidence. The problem though is that you haven’t studied each individual Muslim and so census style research doesn’t work. This lead me back to my question (I answered your questions, please answer mine) what statistical evidence is there (make a hypothesis test please) that shows that Muslims are more violent (after having controlled for other variables that I’ve mentioned) and that this is caused by Islam, not some hidden factor. You may not believe this, but ignoring my arguments and going on about Hitler is not a valid epistemological method.

  34. The same goes for the analogy in the courtroom. Presumably, the size of the population of the accused is one (or all members in the population are implicated). There’s more Muslims in the world than Jim has shown “evidence” for and so he should be constructing some sort of confidence interval.

  35. When do appeasers acknowledge that a mortal threat to our culture exists? Never. Evidence means nothing to them. They simply deny that evidence exists and repeat their simple argument — which is usually about one paragraph long — ad nauseum. It’s boring as hell.

    Pressing on, regarding how feckless appeasers reject evidence:

    -8/20/1933 New York Times, Berlin: Berlin, Monday, Aug. 20: “Eighty-nine and nine-tenths per cent of the German voters endorsed in yesterday’s plebiscite Chancellor Hitler’s assumption of greater power than has been possessed by any other ruler in modern times.”

    5/89 The Times London, editorial: “We’ve gotten used to one-way multiculturalism: the world accepts that you can’t open an Episcopal or Congregational church in Jeddah or Riyadh but every week the Saudis can open radical mosques and madrassas and pro-Saudi think-tanks in London and Toronto and Dearborn, Michigan and Falls Church, Virginia. And their global reach extends a little further day by day, inch by inch, in the lengthening shadows, as the lights go out one by one around the world.”

  36. M. E. Berume, on Winston Churchill:
    “Throughout the thirties, in fact, from as early as 1933, he warned his countrymen about Hitler. In this period, he was scorned and mocked by his own party; he was called a warmonger, an anachronism from another age; indeed, it was not uncommon for detractors to question his sanity.”

  37. Please actually answer my argument rather than just listing random things about appeasers. (I don’t see how my argument’s length is relevant… it’s a rather simple argument, are short arguments more likely to be wrong)?

    The only quote you make about Islam has to do with people not being able to open churches in Saudi Arabia… I agree Saudi Arabia is bad. That still doesn’t say anything about Muslims statistically (very few Muslims hold any political power in Saudi Arabia).

    Also, I was kind enough to answer your questions a few arguments back. PLEASE answer mine. What statistical evidence is there for Muslims being more violent (after necessary controls) and can that be causally linked to Islam?

    Unless you can explain the statistical evidence, or make a new non-unique argument as to why you don’t need any (good luck with that). I’m not going to respond anymore as you seem to be more interested in quoting things about Hitler than actual quantitative arguments.

  38. If my argument is so simple, just answer it by showing either some statistical inference, or tell us why you don’t need to.

  39. Actually showing that Muslims are analogous to Nazi Germany would help rather than just declaring that I’m an appeaser. It helps to actually argue before declaring that you’ve won an argument.

  40. I “infer” that you are an appeaser because you refuse to acknowledge the mountain of evidence — videos, articles, statistics, civil wars involving Muslims, ancient history and news articles – which indicate that Islam is, in fact, inimical to free societies, especially as regards to equal rights for women under Sharia law. Your refusal to acknowledge that evidence “implies” to me, and to all readers of your posts, that you are…an appeaser. Get the difference?

    Because of the Alans in the world we are destined to have a deadly confrontation between Islam and all non-Muslim cultures, apparent only to not-Alan, sentient, open-minded thinkers. Just as the appeasers of the Third Reich, over many years, ignored the evidence that Germans were intent on starting World War Two — which led to 60 million dead people — the Alans in this world are leading us into another Armageddon.

    My conclusion: Alan is a Muslim defending, as all Muslims are commanded to do, even if they must lie:

    It’s called taqiyya: “The Qurān allows Muslims to profess friendship with the unbelievers (3:28) and even outwardly to deny their faith (16:106), if doing so would save them from imminent danger, on the condition that their hearts contradict their tongues.” Encyclopedia Britannica.

  41. I acknowledge that there’s a mountain of bad things that Muslims have done or are doing. My point is is that in order for us to worry about Islam, you need to show that this mountain is 1. proportionally larger than the mountain of bad things other people do after controlling for other factors and 2. Islam is causally related. If you can do this, I’ll gladly accept that Islam is bad. Until there’s statistically significant evidence of this, the “mountains of evidence videos etc” is just anecdotal, not statistical.

    As to the bit about my being a secret Muslim
    1. There are plenty of people who ask for statistical evidence for claims about large populations- the fact that I’m one of them makes me a Muslim now?
    2. Even if I were a Muslim, Taqiyya seems not to apply because I’m hardly in imminent danger (unless Jim is threatening violence against me).

    Again with the Third Reich analogy. Again, you should try and win arguments before making sweeping statements about my being an appeaser (wait, am I a secret Muslim, or just an appeaser?) Nazi Germany is a false analogy, we can know things about the Third Reich since the population is one (only one Nazi Germany has ever existed). Whereas there is more than one Muslim, there needs to be statistical evidence to make statements about the population as a whole.

    If there is so much evidence, making a confidence interval about Muslims’ propensity for violence and the causal link between Islam and this violence should be easy. I’m not ignoring anything, if Jim can indeed show statistically significant results that Islam is the controlling variable for Muslim violence (and that Muslim violence is higher than normal because of Islam) I’ll happily retract everything I’ve said. Until then though, how am I an appeaser? Demanding quantifiable evidence makes someone an appeaser? The horror.

  42. Alan says: “I acknowledge that there’s a mountain of bad things that Muslims have done or are doing.” In other words, he accepts my evidence that Islam is an enemy of free societies.

    Alan, it is your turn to “step up to the plate.” Present your opposing “mountain of evidence” that any religion, other than Islam, adversely afflicts non-Muslims cultures like Islam does. I presented over 60 pieces of evidence that substantiate my claim that Islam is inimical to free societies, especially as regards to equal rights for women. Now I challenge you to offer, to readers here, evidence that Buddhists, Jews, Christians, Zorastrians, Copts, animists, Hindus — any religion other than Islam — inflict comparable burdens and hazards upon mankind.

    Do it, or you are persona non grata, a shill for Islam or multiculterulism, not worthy of further communication, and I’m done with you — and all monsters like you who lead us into the abyss, like the Nazi appeasers of 75 years ago.

  43. Okay I think if you would read my second sentence, you’d realize that I’m not acknowledging that Islam is an enemy of free societies. How do 60 pieces of evidence show anything about Muslims statistically?

    I’m only going to ask once more: Provide statistical evidence that Muslims have a higher propensity to violence than other religions (after controlling for factors that aren’t Islamic). Why can’t you do this?

    Why am I supposed to provide 60 things that other religions have done? I still don’t see how 60 instances of Muslims doing bad things says anything about Muslims as a population…

  44. I’m definitely not saying that Islam is an enemy of free societies because Muslims have done bad things
    PLEASE READ
    “My point is is that in order for us to worry about Islam, you need to show that this mountain is 1. proportionally larger than the mountain of bad things other people do after controlling for other factors and 2. Islam is causally related”

  45. Do they not teach statistics where you’re from or did you just flunk?

  46. Jim please read and respond to this if you read nothing else. Your 60 bits of “evidence” are instances of Muslims behaving badly. I want to know how you extrapolate that the total population of Muslims have a higher than average propensity for violence after controlling for factors that aren’t Islam. Otherwise, all you’ve shown is that out of 1.5 billion Muslims, there are a few hundred bad ones… That hardly says anything about Islam.

  47. @Jim
    You are not even responding to ALan. He’s saying that all you have shown is that some Muslims are doing violent things but you wnat to show that that’s what Islam is all about. some Muslims doing things does not prove anything about how Islam as a whole is. You are just ranting about appeasers because like Alan said, you haven’t actually shown that Islam is against free countries.

    @Alan
    Could you explain some of the statistics words you’ve used, I don’t really understand what you want Jim to do, but I think you are right that he needs to do something (statistically) to actually show that Islam is bad in general.

  48. Viktor says: “He’s [Alan] saying that all you have shown is that some Nazis are doing violent things but you want to show that that’s what Germany is all about. Some Nazis doing things does not prove anything about how Germany as a whole is.” Alan agrees with that. But then Germans started World War Two. 60 million people died. They died because of appeasers like Viktor and Allan who opposed getting in Germany’s face early on and saying, “Stop re-arming or suffer the consequences.” It’s impossible to imagine — 60 MILLION dead people.

    Replace “Nazi” with “Muslims” and “Germany” with “Islam” and you’ll get the idea.

    Dear Lord: Please send all appeasers of evil to hell.

    Yes, Islam is evil and must be confronted — now.

    Again:
    -Quran:2:193: “Fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief) and religion is only for Allah. But if they cease/desist, let there be no hostility except against infidel disbelievers.”
    -Quran 8:12: “Instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers;”
    -Quran 2:191: “… kill the disbelievers wherever we find them …”
    -Quran 8:7: “Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels out to the last.’”
    -In 1899 Winston Churchill wrote: “No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which Islam had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.”
    -1/29/07 Daily Telegraph UK: 40% of Muslims, ages 16 to 24, want Sharia law; 13% admire al-Qaeda; 36% believe apostates should be executed; 75% believe that women should wear veils.
    -5/22/07 Reuters: 25% of young American Muslims believe in suicide bombings to fight the West.
    -7/10/07 worldpress.org: Poll of Muslims in Egypt, Morocco, Pakistan and Indonesia indicates that 75% believe in strict application of Sharia law.
    -7/27/08 Sunday Times UK: 33% of Muslim students support killing for Islam.
    -Muslims are involved in civil wars in China , Russia , Bosnia , Cyprus , Macedonia , Israel , Pakistan , India, Indonesia-Ambon & Halmarhera , Côte d’Ivoire , Kashmir , Kosovo, Kurdistan , Kirghizia , Nigeria , Philippines , Somalia , Turkey , Chechnya , Sudan , Yemen , Thailand , Uganda , Azerbaijan and East Timor (bing search “civil wars in the world today” to confirm). That’s 90% of all civil wars.

    But the appeasers scratch their heads, saying, “Gosh, I don’t see how that’s any different from what other religious people do!”

    Reason with liberals? Difficult to impossible. But it’s not all their fault: their “brains” are wired differently than normal people:

    -10/28/10 NBC news: University of California at Davis and Harvard University find “Liberal Gene” as partial answer as to why liberals think the way they do.

    On the other hand, Viktor and Alan may be Muslims simply doing what the Quran commands them to do: defend Islam.

  49. Like I said, it’s a false analogy to simply replace Muslims with Nazis and Islam with Germany. Answer my argument from previous posts about why it’s misanalogous to use the two interchangeably. Statistics is your friend. Do you even read my posts?

  50. Why did I think of Alan and Viktor when I read this story?

    12/31/11 Sacramento Bee: Beware of mountain lion along American River
    Sightings of a mountain lion along the American River have prompted state parks officials to post warning signs. There have been four sightings of the mammal this month. Two of the sightings have been confirmed by employees of the state Department of Fish & Game, which has offices at the Nimbus Fish Hatchery. Signs went up last week, telling bike trail users and visitors to the American River what to do if they encounter a lion:
    • Do not run.
    • Pick up children.
    • Make yourself appear large.
    • Shout at the lion to go away.
    • Notify state parks officials.

  51. It’s interesting because we can actually calculate a confidence interval dealing with the threat posed by a randomly selected mountain lion, can Jim do the same with a randomly selected Muslim?

  52. The way to victory against the appeasers is to bombard them with facts, to keep on them on the defensive. In their response to these facts they reveal themselves.

    They love to remind us that not all Muslims are terrorists, just as appeasers did 75 years ago: “Oh, let’s not go to war to stop Germany from re-arming! Not all Germans are Nazis!” When you remind them of the support Hitler received from the German people, they simply block out such facts:
    -8/20/1933 New York Times, Berlin: Eighty-nine and nine-tenths per cent of the German voters endorsed in yesterday’s plebiscite Chancellor Hitler’s assumption of greater power than has been possessed by any other ruler in modern times.
    -6/15/05 BBC: “By 1939 Mein Kampf had sold 5,200,000 copies and had been translated into 11 languages. It was provided as a school textbook after Hitler came to power in 1933 and was given to all German newlyweds.”
    -And we’ve all seen those videos of happy Germans during during the 1936 Olympic Games, presided over by their Fuehrer.

    Then 60 million died in WW2, thanks to the appeasers.

    Today the Alans of this world do likewise, ignoring similar evidence of Musliim support for their extremist brothers:
    -1/29/07 Daily Telegraph UK: 40% of Muslims, ages 16 to 24, want Sharia law; 13% admire al-Qaeda; 36% believe apostates should be executed; 75% believe that women should wear veils.
    -5/22/07 Reuters: 25% of young American Muslims believe in suicide bombings to fight the West.
    -7/10/07 worldpress.org: Poll of Muslims in Egypt, Morocco, Pakistan and Indonesia indicates that 75% believe in strict application of Sharia law.
    -7/27/08 Sunday Times UK: 33% of Muslim students support killing for Islam; 33% want world Islamic law.
    -12/5/10 LA Times: A new Pew Research Center poll shows that majorities in Pakistan, Egypt, Jordan and Nigeria would favor changing the current laws to allow stoning as a punishment for adultery, hand amputation for theft and death for those who convert from Islam to another religion.
    -11 2011 MacDonald-Laurier Institute poll of Canadian Muslims: only 39% of respondents disagreed strongly with the idea of introducing a Caliphate (world Sharia law); 75% wish that Sharia law be implemented; 20,000 support Al Qaeda.

    There will be civil war here. Anywhere Muslims live, eventually, civil war is the result. Maybe not next year, or a hundred years from now, but eventually it will happen:

    Muslims are involved in civil wars against non-Muslims in China, Russia, Bosnia, Cyprus, Macedonia, Israel, Pakistan, India, Indonesia-Ambon & Halmarhera, Côte d’Ivoire, Kashmir, Kosovo, Kurdistan, Kirghizia, Nigeria, Philippines, Somalia, Turkey, Chechnya, Sudan, Yemen, Thailand, Uganda, Azerbaijan and East Timor. (To confirm this, bing search “civil wars in the world”). That comprises nearly 90% of all civil wars in the world.

    In the West we are in the early stages of the Islamification process:
    -8/20/07: “The BBC has dropped plans to show a fictional terror attack in an episode of Casualty to avoid offending Muslims.”
    3/22/09 New York Post: Actor Sean Penn removed himself from the movie Crossing Over because it portrayed muslim brothers honor killing their sister, and he didn’t want to offend muslims.
    -8/09 APF Paris: Muslim women turned away from a swimming pool because she wore a burqini. She said: “I will fight to try to change things.” Al Qaeda released a statement: “We are ready to take revenge for the honor of our daughters and sisters.”
    -10/09 Chicago Tribune: Mona Ramouni is a blind muslim but cannot utilize a seeing-eye dog because dogs, as the Council on American-Islamic Relations successfully claimed, “violate ritual purity.”
    The taxpayers had to buy her a seeing eye….horse! There’s a picture of this Muslim on a public bus with her horse!
    -2/16/10 Telegraph: One of France’s largest eateries has dropped pork from its menus. A Muslim said: “I’m happy, as I can come here with my Muslim friends.” A non-Muslim said: “Why can’t they sell halal burgers and bacon burgers at the same time?”
    -3/24/10 Daily Mail: KFC stops serving bacon to please Muslims.
    -4/22/10 Hollywood Reporter: TV show South Park bans the word Muhammad after death threats from Muslim extremists.
    Muslims combine such constant, relentless in-your-face demands with the highest birthrate in the world – then this happens:
    -8/09 Bosnia Muslim leader Mustafa Ceric declared Christian Serbian Muslim-majority territory boarding Montenegro as Muslim homelands. The same Muslims we saved from ethnic cleansing by bombing Christian Serbs in the 90’s are now claiming more Serbian land.
    -8/19/10 AndKronos Int’l: Muslims claim land INSIDE Montenegro as Muslim homelands.

    It took the Muslim invaders 500 years to achieve their goal in the Balkans.

    Time is not a factor in Islam, only victory…for Allah.

  53. It’s interesting because with all this bombardment of facts, there ought to be a statistical inference test lurking somewhere… but no. Also, Nazi Germany, being a state, was a unitary actor, so it’s not really analogous (it’s also not analogous for the arguments I’ve already mentioned which Jim deigned not worthy of response).

  54. Jim, you’ve got to realize that without statistically significant results, the list of facts doesn’t really prove anything. I can make a statistical inference test for Nazi Germany and mountain lions if you’d like. I want to see the same for Muslims.

  55. I’ve been “communicating” with people like Alan and Viktor for many years and have been sensitized as to how Muslims, when confronted with statistical evidence produced by reputable scientific poll takers, cited in numerous reputable news scources, respond to facts presented: All of them simply deny or ignore their existence. They betray their true identity, probably as Muslims, when they don’t address statistical facts such as:

    -1/29/07 Daily Telegraph UK: 40% of Muslims, ages 16 to 24, want Sharia law; 13% admire al-Qaeda; 36% believe apostates should be executed; 75% believe that women should wear veils.
    -5/22/07 Reuters: 25% of young American Muslims believe in suicide bombings to fight the West.
    -7/10/07 worldpress.org: Poll of Muslims in Egypt, Morocco, Pakistan and Indonesia indicates that 75% believe in strict application of Sharia law.
    -7/27/08 Sunday Times UK: 33% of Muslim students support killing for islam; 33% want world Islamic law.
    -12/5/10 LA Times: A new Pew Research Center poll shows that majorities in Pakistan, Egypt, Jordan and Nigeria would favor changing the current laws to allow stoning as a punishment for adultery, hand amputation for theft and death for those who convert from Islam to another religion.
    -November 2011 MacDonald-Laurier Institute poll of Canadian Muslims: Only 39% of respondents disagree strongly with the idea of introducing a Caliphate (world Sharia law); 75% wish that Sharia law be implemented; 20,000 support Al Qaeda.

    -1/30/09 Timesonline: UK Muslim population growth between 2004 and 2008 was ten times greater than the rest of society.
    -2/09 The Finnish Ministry of Defense published a position paper saying: In 1991 there were 300 mosques in Russia. Today there are 8,000, financed by Turkey, Iran and Saudi Arabia.
    -8/8/09 Telegraph: Europe’s Muslim population has more than doubled in the past 30 years and will have doubled again by 2015.
    -10/28/10, Daily Mail: Mohamed or derivatives of that name is now the number one name in all of England.

    The burden of proof in denying the statistical validity of these scientific polls is on the Alans and Viktors living among us. But the truth is a hard thing to deal with, and the truth is what the Alans and Viktors will avoid. They will obfuscate, lie and deny. It is what Muslims do.

  56. Sure, you have statistics for various attitudes that Muslims have, but that isn’t what I’m asking. I would agree to the polls’ validity, but you’re completely avoiding what a statistical inference test is. In order to show Islam is a threat, we should want to see a higher (note that higher is comparative, just saying 33% doesn’t help anyone) propensity for violence AFTER controlling for economic and other confounding factors. So yes, you have statistics showing things like “40% of Muslims in the UK want Sharia law”. I’m not denying that, I am however, denying that you have shown results that would force us to reject the null hypothesis about the propensity of Muslim violence.

  57. In summary: Statistics about Muslims doing bad things =/= statistical evidence that Islam is something to be feared and shunned.

  58. Spoken like a true Muslim.

    Now let’s watch Alan twist and turn as he “explains” this, yet another example of Muslim aggression — listen, and learn, from Alan:

    9/8/11 International Herald Tribune:

    Uighur Sheikh Abdul Shakoor Damla leads jihad for a united ‘Turkistan’ which is Chinese land the Muslims want. In a video statement following a series of deadly attacks in July, in the southern city of Kashgar and the desert city of Hotan in Xinjiang that killed more than 30 people, he said:
    “The jihadi operations in the provinces of Hotan and Kashgar are merely acts of revenge against the atheist communists, who fought the religion of Allah the Almighty publicly and openly.”

    Liu Weimin, a spokesman for China’s foreign ministry, said on Thursday that he had not seen the video, but China believes “that at present there are some East Turkestan forces, including terrorists, who aim to split China, and who continue to stir up sentiments of ethnic confrontation”.

    Tensions erupted into violent clashes between majority Han Chinese and native Uighurs (Muslims) that killed nearly 200 people in the regional capital Urumqi in 2009. The government has blamed the violence in Xinjiang on groups like the “East Turkestan Islamic Movement” (ETIM), designated as a terrorist organisation by the United States in 2002. Beijing says separatists work with al Qaeda or militants among other Turkic ethnic groups in ex-Soviet Central Asia over the border to seek an independent (Muslim) state called East Turkestan.

  59. Alan says, “So yes, you have statistics showing things like 40% of Muslims in the UK want Sharia law. I’m not denying that, I am however, denying that you have shown results that would force us to reject the null hypothesis about the propensity of Muslim violence.”

    A mere 25 years ago we were totally ignorant of the crimes Muslims commit because Muslims, liberal politicians, multiculturalists, multinational corporations, sheikhs and oil barons effectively censored news about Muslim crimes. Today we can literally SEE those crimes on the Internet, including YouTube under search terms of: MUSLIMS AND…
    -JAKARTA RIOTS: molest dead Chinese women
    -FGM: cut off clitorises
    -BRESLAN: execute 120 school children
    -TERRORISM: 9/11, 7/7, Mumbai, Moscow, Madrid, Bali, etc.
    -BEHEADINGS: actual videos
    -STONING WOMEN: to death
    -HONOR KILLING: daughters and wives
    -KILL APOSTATES
    -MUSLIM RIOTS in Europe
    -SLAVERY
    -CIVIL WARS
    -PIRACY

    But Alan is stunned by accusations of Muslim violence? Nah, they’re practicing “taqiyya”:
    -“The Qurān allows Muslims to profess friendship with the unbelievers (3:28) and even outwardly to deny their faith (16:106), if doing so would save them from imminent danger, on the condition that their hearts contradict their tongues.” Encyclopedia Britannica.
    -“Concealing or disguising one’s beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and/or strategies at a time of imminent danger, whether now or later in time, to save oneself from physical and/or mental injury.” Wikipedia:
    -By the doctrine of Al-Taqiyah, Muslims dominate crime syndicates, increase population by massive Bangladeshi infiltration and make temporary alliances with Dalits, Christians, etc. In the early years of the Islamic conquest of the Arabian peninsula and in the Fatah (Arab-Islamic invasion and conquest of the upper Middle East and the outside world), a Muslim concept was devised to achieve success against the enemy (non Muslims), Al-Taqiyah. Al-Taqiyah, from the verb Ittaqu, means linguistically dodge the threat. Politically it means simulate whatever status you need in order to win the war against the enemy. Title: Islamic concept of Al-Taqiyah to infiltrate and destroy kafir countries; Author Dr. Walid, Islamic University; Publication: BHARATIYA PRAGNA; Date: JUNE 2000 VOLUME 2 NUMBER 6.

    The meaning of taqiyya to non-Muslims, to be generous, is “dissimulation”: to hide under false appearance. To be less generous and more accurate, its meaning is “lying”: dishonest, mendacious, untruthful (Merriam-webster). Think about that the next time a Muslim gives you a toothy smile and says, “Islam is a religion of peace, my brother.”

    Footnote: How would this work for him? “So yes, you have statistics showing things like 40% of Americans are Nazis. I’m not denying that, I am however, denying that you have shown results that would force us to reject the null hypothesis about the propensity of Nazi violence.”

  60. So is this a “no” on the statistical hypothesis test? Also, I’ve noted numerous times on how it’s misanalogous to simply replace Muslim with Nazi. Please actually answer my arguments rather than dancing around them.

  61. It’s interesting that Jim refuses to even explain why he refuses to make a statistical inference test.

  62. 6/6 Pew Research poll:
    -To the question, “Is growing Islamic identity good or bad? Percent answering “bad”: UK 59%; US 46%; Spain, Germany, France, 82 to 87%.
    -To the question of concern about the rise of Islamic extremism in your country? Percent who are concerned: US 72%; UK, France, Germany, Russia 74 to 82%.
    -Only 55% of Americans even heard of the Muslim riots in France in 2005.

    That poll was taken five years ago. Since then the Internet has become the most trusted news source, more than TV and printed news combined (11/21/08 Zogby poll). The appeasers of Islam are losing the battle over truth. That 55% who didn’t hear about the Muslim riots in France (Alan would call “youths”) are much better informed today. Time is on our side.

    Now watch how Muslims respond to bad news (bad news to them, anyway).

  63. Jim, why won’t you even explain why you don’t have to provide a hypothesis test showing a higher propensity for violence? All that that last bit shows is that westerners think Islam is bad. But your original point is that there’s a higher propensity for violence. Please use an actual statistical method to show that Muslims have a higher propensity for violence after controlling for things like economics. Why can’t you even attempt this? The problem with lists like this:

    “JAKARTA RIOTS: molest dead Chinese women
    -FGM: cut off clitorises
    -BRESLAN: execute 120 school children
    -TERRORISM: 9/11, 7/7, Mumbai, Moscow, Madrid, Bali, etc.
    -BEHEADINGS: actual videos
    -STONING WOMEN: to death
    -HONOR KILLING: daughters and wives
    -KILL APOSTATES
    -MUSLIM RIOTS in Europe
    -SLAVERY
    -CIVIL WARS
    -PIRACY”

    Are that they don’t show how violent the total population of Muslims are, and they certainly don’t control for any other factors.

    Jim. If you talk about nothing else, talk about this: Explain why you don’t need to show a statistical hypothesis test (or some Bayesian analysis) showing a higher than average propensity for violence after other controls. None of your evidence has done this as it isn’t comparative nor is it controlled for other factors.

  64. Jim, Please actually answer what I’ve said in my posts about making a statisical hypothesis test.
    Also, I’m not a Muslim, if I were, I don’t think Taqiyya would apply as I’m not in imminent danger (unless you’re threatening my life, are you doing that Jim?)

  65. Let’s watch how Alan responds to this question, and learn about how Muslims and multiculturalists “think”:

    Does the New Testament demand that apostates and adulterers be killed like Islam’s Hadiths do?

    -Hadith Bukhari 9:83:17: “The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims.”
    -Hadith Bukhari 4:52:260: “The Prophet said, ‘If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.’ ”

    Keep in mind that these demands aren’t talking about punishment in heaven but the here and now, and in some Muslim nations the demands are met.

  66. Alexis de Tocqueville’s (1805-59), the author of Democracy in America, comments on Islam:
    -“The first of all religious duties is to blindly obey the prophet” and that “holy war is the first of all good works”; “Mohammed is much more concerned with making people believe than with giving rules of morality. And he employs terror more than any other motivation.”
    -“I closely studied the Koran especially because of our position with regard to the Muslim populations in Algeria and throughout the Orient. I admit that I came out of that study with the conviction that, all things considered, there had been few religions in the world so dreadful for men as that of Muhammad.”

    Winston Churchill wrote:
    -In 1899: “No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which Islam had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome. “
    -“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. “
    -“A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property — either as a child, a wife, or a concubine — must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.”
    -On Hitler’s Mein Kampt: “Here was the new Koran of faith and war; turgid, verbose, shapeless but pregnant with its message.”
    -On Islam: “No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.”

    K.S. Lal, in his book Growth of Muslim Population in Medieval India, claimed that between 1000 CE and 1500 CE, the population of Hindus decreased by 80 million.

    Alan’s demand for a statistical hypothesis test or some Bayesian analysis just wiped out all history!

    I’m surprised he hasn’t performed a very common defense of Islam which Muslims use: “Do you speak Arabic? If not, you don’t understand the Koran!”

    Come on, Alan, you’re a Muslim, right?

  67. First, no I’m not a Muslim as 1. Taqiyya wouldn’t apply as I’m not in imminent danger sitting at my computer and 2. There are tons of people like me who aren’t terrified of Islam, many of which are non-Muslims, yet for some reason you’ve arbitrarily assigned me to the subset of people who are Muslims.

    Jim, you always force me to respond to your arguments, yet you never respond to mine, (Nazis and Muslims are misanalagous, statisitical evidence is necessary etc). Please, a little fairness.

    As to the business about killing apostates, if you ask the majority of Western Muslims, they’ll mostly tell you that those are either historical remnants, mistranslations or something- in any event they don’t actually follow them (In the same vein that most Orthodox Jews don’t actually want to stone people).

    You give a sort of one line argument about my demand for statistics. I don’t really understand what you’re saying, please elaborate. (though I am happy that you actually read my arguments, I was beginning to wonder).

    As to your other arguments, you haven’t really shown anything but quotes by famous people. This is a case of special pleading. We wouldn’t decide what we think about Jews based on what Bobby Fischer thinks would we? Sure, he’s a smart guy, but smart people believe all sorts of weird things for very non-smart reasons. Quotes aren’t really evidence.

    As to KS Lal I think this is a rather silly argument. Probably some population decrease was due to conversion or natural famine. If significant portions were due to Muslim skullduggery, you need to show statistical controls for other factors contributing to violent behavior in order to indict Islam.

  68. It appears that Islam on this forum generates no interest from anyone but you and me. You have served as my prop to illustrate how Muslims respond to facts about Muslim crimes — but no one is “watching”! So, there is no purpose in commenting further on the issue, at least here.

    Allahu Akbar, adios — and may the wind always be in your face.

  69. Well Jim, I think I that would make me the worst prop in history as 1. I’m not a Muslim and 2. you didn’t actually show any analysis showing a higher propensity for violence (and you didn’t even attempt to control for other factors like economics) all of the supposed evidence tells us that some Muslims are violent, though we should really be interested in what proportion of Muslims are violent compared to other populations after controlling for non-Islam factors.

  70. Offered only for the purpose of making the Alan’s of this world twist and turn in their defense of tyranny:

    Freedom House (freedomhouse.org), established with the support of the socialist Franklin D. Roosevelt, was established in 1941 in New York City. Each year it rates the degree of freedom in all regions of the world.

    The 2011 report rates the [Muslim] Middle East and North Africa as the least free of all regions in the world: 78% rated “not free.”

  71. Correlation proves nothing. I don’t doubt that the Middle East and North Africa tend to be less free. However “not being free” is hardly monocausal. Can you run a cross tabulation to actually isolate Islam as the source of being not free? I suspect that the not being free has a lot to do with 1. Economics 2. The Ottoman empire. 3. Climate and 4. US and Soviet jockeying for control. This isn’t statistical evidence indicting Islam as much as it is statistical evidence indicting arid climates and being at the crossroads of the world. The only thing I’m twisting and turning about is the idiot’s apostrophe that you added.

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